Literature, CS Lewis and Conversion: Holly Ordway and Laura Miller on Unbelievable?

In June, I had the pleasure of joining Justin Brierley, the host of the UK apologetics radio show Unbelievable? on Premier Christian Radio, in his studio in London to record a show on C.S. Lewis and literature. We were joined, via phone, by writer Laura Miller, who wrote The Magician’s Book: A Skeptic’s Adventures in Narnia, which I had read and enjoyed.

You can listen to the show here.

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In the Unbelievable? studio in London.

On the show, Laura and I discussed the experience of reading the Chronicles of Narnia and discovering – later – their Christian message; we then get into the larger issues of the merits of using literature to convey the Christian message, and the question of whether literature points beyond itself, to a transcendent reality. Can this be the case for Christians only, or for nonbelievers too? And can non-Christian authors have something to offer as well?

I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation, and I hope you will too. You can listen to the whole show here: Literature, C.S. Lewis, and Conversion (the page with show notes) or with the direct link to the MP3 audio.

If you enjoy this, you’ll also enjoy the show from several years ago in which my colleague Michael Ward discussed Narnia with Laura Miller as well: A Skeptic in Narnia.


Dr. Holly Ordway is a poet, academic, and Christian apologist. She is the chair of the Department of Apologetics and director of the MA in Cultural Apologetics at Houston Baptist University, and the author of Not God’s Type (2010; 2nd ed. forthcoming, 2014, Ignatius Press). Her work focuses on imaginative and literary apologetics, with special attention to C.S. Lewis and Charles Williams.

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